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from: Slash [interview by Jeffrey Lee Pierce]
November
Trouble at the Church
This is a story about the church. You see, the church is this
old rotten gray building on Pier Ave. in Hermosa Beach. It used
to be a house of God, but now it's a house of chaos, since the
whole So. Bay punk contingent have moved inside. It's a crowd
consisting of Black Flag, the Last, Red Cross, the Descendants,
the Disposals, the Urinals, and friends, plus various people
hanging out at different times. It's a crazy place to go to,
and a good example of L.A. punk music existing outside of Hollywood
& Chinatown.
In the wastelands of So. Bay, being a punk is much closer
to what it was a couple years ago than it is now. People like
Black Flag or Red Cross, with their pinned-on pictures and scroungy
look, often find themselves living in a part of town that does
not prefer their presence. People at the church get threatened,
chased, harassed, and picked on by both surfers and policemen.
One night when I left the church to go home, I was pulled over
by three squad cars who searched and questioned everything just
to give me a ticket for a broken tail-light. The police often
bust into the church looking for weapons and "punkers."
Anyway, Slash got together a bunch of them for an interview,
including Ron Reyes, the drummer of Red Cross; Keith, singer
in Black Flag; and Joe Nolte, leader of the Last; as well as
Gregg, Jeff and Steve (who's only 12 years old) of Red Cross.
Plus some guy named Scott who is 17 and ran away from home to
live at the church.
Slash: So the police have become very aware of you lately?
Ron: The cops know we're here, they don't like us. One night
these guys drove by and yelled something, so one of us threw
a bottle. They came back and there was a fight. When the police
finally arrived, they immediately took up sides and started coming
down on us without ever listening to what we said.
Keith: When we first played down on the Strand, the cops knew
us.
Joe: There was a party after that Polliwog Park thing and
the cops didn't come in, they just stayed outside and busted
people as they left. Now, they come in a lot.
Slash: Is this kind of harassment any different as in Hollywood?
Like at the Masque or something?
Ron: In Hollywood, they don't get harassed unless there's
some kind of legit reason. Like a big crowd or something. Here,
they come around without a reason.
Slash: Personal Harassment...
Joe: Anybody who looks like us...
Slash: So why don't you just move to Hollywood?
Keith: 'Cause we hate Hollywood! That's the big scene out
there. Fuck that scene...
Slash: I heard Black Flag had some trouble with it. Like getting
dropped off good bills and stuff...
Keith: People thing we're real bad boys or something. Everybody
knows we're really just nice guys... (laughter in the room) We
all work jobs, so we like to just get wild on weekends. Crazy
every chance we get. We were dropped off maybe three of four
bills. One with X. One with the Alleycats.
Slash: I heard you were recording now...
Keith: We're getting ready to make an album, we can keep it
together. We're getting all this free time in the studio at like,
one or two in the morning. This guy wants to give us free time,
so he can establish himself as a punk-new wave producer. He wants
to get Robo to use different drum sounds. Lots of guitar overdubs.
We're a "live" band, we don't need that crap...
Slash: You don't care then?
Keith: Yeah, we do. But we're gonna do it our way!
Slash: Who's it with?
Keith: It's gonna be Upsetter, with Chris, hopefully...
Slash: Did you like San Francisco?
Joe: You walk into Mabuhay and get instantly high.
Ron: It reeks... it reeks.
Keith: We'd go over real well at the deaf club, 'cause we
use lots of sign language. (he flips us off)
Slash: But you did well?
Keith: The reception was great. We're playing and people are
going "commit suicide!" I said, "Go kill yourselves,
you fucking homo-pot-smoking jerks!"
Ron: They're all dancing and at the same time yelling "L.A.
sucks!"
Slash: Joe, I heard you had a bone to pick with Slash?
Joe: Yeah, I do. Slash editorial policy has been to ignore
the Last, because we're on Bomp or something. For some reason,
Slash categorizes us among the likes of 20/20, the Pop, and Motels,
and we don't belong in that category, because the roots of the
Last are basically hardcore. We've been involved in the scene.
We debuted at the Masque when it was essentially a showcase for
the Skulls... (at this point everybody in the room screams "hooray
for the Skulls!") And our music is pop-influenced, but not
any more than the Buzzcocks, or the fucking Clash! Anybody who's
seen us, know we're not some fucking power-pop Knack clone. The
Buzzcocks are more wimp-rock than us.
Keith: Maybe we should throw a benefit for Slash...
Slash: Why do you think the Buzzcocks can get away with it?
Joe: Because they're from fucking England, man! And it's hip
to be from England! The only guy who mentions us is Bo Clifford,
who's on Bomp...
Slash: So you wanna be in Slash, huh?
Joe: It's a great magazine! I read it religiously. I wish
we could see our names in there. We wanna be written about by
the great writers like Kickboy!
Slash: Well, you're in the rag now...
Ron: The Go-Go's do basically the same thing as the Last,
and they get accepted...
Right around this time, we decided to go up to get some pictures
before the sun went down. While we shot photos on the sidewalk,
at least two motorcycle cops cruised by and told us to get out
of the street. Keith and Joe went to the liquor store and came
back with not 2 or 3, but four six-packs of beer. They took some
pictures around the area, then Keith had to leave to go to work.
So we went back and finished the interview, while the rest of
Red Cross and a bunch of friends showed up. At this point, Slash
began to get the real dirt.
Slash: Let's get some dirt now. Who wants to be rich?
Ron: Me!!!
Joe: Me!!!
Jeff: Joe does!!!
Scott: Me too!!!
Joe: Of course I do! There's no shower in the church! There's
no stove in the church! There's no refrigerator! None of us have
a car! We're all fucked! We're stuck here in So. Bay and we're
piss-poor!
Ron: I just want tall girls! Negro love!
Joe: Anybody who says they don't wanna be rich is a liar!
Slash: So this isn't aesthetics or anything, you're only after
money?
Ron: I think everybody knows there's no money in this...
Joe: It would be stupid to play music to make money! It would
be so much easier to go to law school! Everybody down here is
playing exactly what they want to play.
Ron: We played a full house with the Germs and didn't make
anything for it!
Jeff: You made that agreement...
Ron: Yeah, fine, but...
Joe: You made the agreement, you didn't talk to anyone else
in the band...
Jeff: Ron set up that fucking gig! So fuck you all!
Ron: Now wait a minute!!!
Slash: Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! How do you fuckers ever
live together?
Scott: Dirty!
Steve: You got showers at the beach! Why don't you use them?!
Joe: I haven't had a shower in weeks...
Scott: You! Me!
Slash: Shut up! Shut up! Now listen! Next question, who here
is directly influenced by David Bowie?
Joe: 90% of punk-rockers in L.A. are just old Bowie freaks...
Scott: No! Not me!
Jeff: Not me!
Joe: First time I saws Mary Rat, she was all glittered out
at a Bowie concert!
Slash: Yeah! More dirt!
Joe: Hung out with my brother Michael back in 1976...
Slash: What's your collective influences?
Gregg: The Avengers!
A Girl: David Bowie!
Scott: Church music!
Joe: Rockabilly!
Ron: No, I don't like rockabilly too much. It's a good joke...
Slash: Marvin Rainwater is god!
Gregg: Penelope Houston is god!!!
Jeff: Penelope Houston is god!!!
Steve: If you changed the bas lines in rockabilly, it might
be okay. Some bass every song...
Joe: You can also say that about rock and roll...
Slash: What's the general opinion here of Penelope Houston?
Gregg:
Steve: GREAT!!!
Scott:
Slash: How did you like the Clash doing Be-Bop A Lula?
Scott: They're assholes!
Prescilla: They sounded just like a normal rock and roll band...
Scott: It was cosmic...
Slash: How do you like San Francisco in general?
Jeff: Fags!
Joe: There's more fags in Frisco than anywhere...
Slash: What are some other bands around here?
Joe: The Urinals, the Descendants. The Urinals are great.
The most minimal band ever. The Descendants have a lot of real
good songs...
Scott: The Disposals!
Joe: The Disposals are an all girl group. Their drummer is
this 31-year old housewife...
Jeff: She's an alcoholic!
Scott: Fuck the Descendants!
Slash: Who's paying for the Red Cross recordings?
Steve: I paid for it with my paper route...
Slash: Have you played around town?
Jeff: We played at the Soul Palace once...
Steve: I don't think it's fun being kicked offstage right
when we went on...
Slash: At King's Palace? Why?
Steve: Underage...
Slash: What do you think of pornography?
Steve: I only like kiddie pornography...
Ron: Yeah, like see Jane take off her clothes. Look at Jane.
Steve: They asked me if I...
Jeff: His teacher is into punk rock and stuff.
Steve: He looked at my notebook and got all excited.
Slash: What do you really hate?
Steve: I only hate school.
Ron: I hate ugly girls!
Jeff: I hate the Buzzcocks!
After that, people started toying around with the instruments,
it all turned into a wild psychedelic jam. Next thing I knew,
Red Cross was playing their whole set right there in the room.
We left the place, which was littered with beer cans and garbage,
to go see X. This gang of people pretty much have their days
numbered at the church. They all know that pretty soon somebody's
gonna put them out of a home. Then, there'll be nowhere to go.
So, as Jim Morrison said, "get your kicks before the whole
shithouse goes up in flames." They certainly will down here...
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